i mean, spending at its height in iraq and afghanistan. in addition, if i understand correctly, $400 billion in interest that we would not need to pay because of the elimination of this phantom $1 trillion. so right from the beginning, you're starting about half as many, quote, unquote, cuts as nor reid suggests that are there. i think, you know, that's a nonstarter. if that passes the house, it passes because all the democrats pass and some republicans vote for it. i can't imagine that republicans would vote for something that's obviously that phony. >> there are doubts whether he could get the 60 votes needed to move it past in the democratic-controlled senate. >> if miles an hour mcconnell wants to draw the line on this issue he can prevent this plan from getting 60 votes. democrats need seven republicans to join them to get 60. republicans need 13 democrats. in this case, in today's politics, 13 is the smaller number. >> and let's remember why we're here. harry reid had an opportunity back in december of 2010 to bring up the debt limit